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COVERSATION WITH AN ANTI-TORAH PERSON
The following coversation occurred with a friend over several days. This came off of my Facebook page. I am sure you will be able to relate to this. Pray for Brenda :
- Brenda Kreher Why would anyone punctuate The Scriptures with quotation marks? That indicates they have a particular definition of them that is exclusive to their way of thinking; something other han the definitive standard. Reeminds me of a bait and switch technique.
Ron Weiss Brenda , why are you so picky? You cannot meet the challenge to lies that have been inherited within Christianity. I do love you , but I do not agree with you on this issue.- Brenda Kreher I have a book to write about inherited lies within Christianity. I have no problem with holding anything up to the light of Scripture for scrutiny. My question is - what is meant by putting parentheses around the words 'THE SCRIPTURES' - when this is done, grammatically it means that there is something distinct about the term, implying an overtone of meaning that exceeds the ordinary definition , making for an "insider's" understanding. That is the matter for which I am asking clarification. Furthermore - I went to the linked website to see what explanation or further information there might be on this " challenge". I found nothing helpful. I found no explanation. Even the wording of this challenge is cloudy. Maybe you can spell it out in plain English for me, because after having examined it in every way that I know, breaking the phrasing up, trying to eliminate the double negative, or the hint of one, trying to determine who or what the subject of the sentence is, I must confess that I am totally lost. I guess one has to be a club member to decipher the code.
- Ron Weiss Brenda: The reasson Scriptures was in parenthesis is that so many people want to disprove the validity of Torah by what other men have said or Pastors have said. This ministry is simply saying that you must use the Scriptures alone. Remember that the Word was roginally wriitten in Hebrew and Aramaic and that it is an Eastern book. The problem is that Christianity looks at it through Greek eyes and therfore has mistranslated words.
- Ron Weiss Did you know that their is no person that is named James in the Bible. Everywhere that name is translated in the Scriptures , it is the word Jacob. This show the anti-judaic bias of the translators. They took of Patriach of the Jewish people and robbed him of his identity as a Jew.
- Ron Weiss The word Church is also an example of anti-Judaic bias of translators. The word Church only appears 2 times in the Renewed Covenant. Everywhere the word is found in the Scriptures, it is the Hebrew word Kahal, which means Assembly. Do you realize the utter seriousness of what the translators did in these two examples. The command was not to add anything or take anything away from the written Word, but that is exactly what they have done. This is sickening and pathetic and Christians have inherited these lies. Scientifically, when something starts out one way and in the ends look totally opposite of what it began as, that is scientifically called a mutation. The early followers of Yeshua were known as a sect of Judaism. and today followers look nothing like that. Yeshua was a Jewish Rabbi who loved the Torah, and was The Living Torah. He also honored the Sabbath, which He created. If one wants to follow Him, follow what He did. Christianity keeps nine of the Ten Commandments, but weekly violates the 4Th Commandment. This makes no sense at all. The Anti-Messiah is known as the "Lawless One" Any Jewish person seeing that word would automatically see the word "Torah less One." History records the Way Greek and Roman leaders treated those who Honored the Torah and kept it. They were tortured and killed in hideous ways. This will also happen in the End Times. Christians need to line up with the Jewish Messiah and not with the ways of the Anti-Messiah. I know thees are strong words, but the Truth will set Christians free if they will accept the Truth and not listen to people who have twisted and distorted the Truth.
- Brenda Kreher I am aware of the eastern v western translation dichotomy. I am subscribed to a translator ( native to the Middle East and trained ( BA) in Aramaic, whose studies were taken in ( I believe, if memory serves me correctly) Iran. He is a believer whose mission is to give an accurate translation to scriptures, and he exposes the western bias. I am okay with that. But, REGARDLESS of who the translators is or are, what mistakes they may or may not have made, the word of the Lord says that the Holy Spirit is our Teacher of the Truth.
John 16:13 KJV
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come , he will guide you into all truth So, even if somebody did mess up along the line ( and some have) we still have the Author of the book to consult to get it right. And he has set up guidelines, checks and balances, ( out of the mouths of two or three let all things be established) for making sure that we don't go off into our own " private interpretation." ( I peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no * prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.) But what I see here is a pulling toward " our camp's thinking" - as opposed to everyone else's - . That is what parentheses are used for - to set the enclosed terms apart in some way from their ordinary use/understanding. I find it hard to imagine that the publisher of material claiming to be so scholarly would be ignorant of that use. This coupled with very cloudy meaning of what's written in that red and black box - what a nebulous statement! Evidently written so that only someone from the inside has a clue what they are talking about. If you don't see it yourself, take the sentence to any educated person and ask them what it means. Odds are they won't be able to tell you. As for names, well, here's my take on that. Most people won't even care, and it would have very little bearing on the impact of truth that would be modeled in the person's LIFE - " A rose by any other name is still a rose...". HOWEVER if you are a scholar and wish to uncover the meaning of names - wherein is a treasure of truth to be found, yes, I agree - then STUDY out the name and let the Holy Ghost teach you what he will about it. As for someone losing their identity, well, I can't say I feel sorry about that because Jesus surrendered his identity in order to save us. He is our example. Paul said he became all things to all people in order to save some. That is identity surrender. The word says Jesus made himself of "no reputation" - that is identity surrender. This walk is not about us ( ME ME ME has to die) All it takes is looking up a name in Strong's - which is now very easy to do - i just did it - and saw that "James" is defined as "Iakobos, supplanter". It does not take a genius to see that the name is the same as Jacob. Okay, so there was a linguistic shift. THOSE HAPPEN ALL THE TIME and in this case it did nothing to affect the meaning. So now may I ask you the same question you asked me, " Why are you being so picky?" I entered into a facebook discussion with a brother that we both know. He is off onto a rabbit trail that I have studied about in the last few years and I was sharing with him from the scriptures as i am doing with you now. He was offended and said he did not wish to continue to"debate" ( as he called it) with me. fine. I told him "ok" and that is the end of the discussion . Or so I thought until I , in a later post, replied with ONLY scriptures to a comment, which then caused him to respond defensively, saying that I was "bringing correction". Now, mind you - I only shared scripture - no personal comments. Who was "bringing correction?" Me? Nope. It was the Word of God. So, now, I have a scripture to share with you - I do not know whether you are among those who make the claim that one may only refer to the Lord by the name of "YHWH", and that is the only name that brings salvation - but, please take note of the following scripture that differs from this claim: Acts 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified , whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders , which is become the head of the corner. 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby * we must be saved . I must leave the discussion; have some other things to do. Later and the Lord bless you. - Ron Weiss Brenda: I am blown away that you are such a smart person, and cannot see that Christianity is Bablyon. Yeshua did not come to start another religion. Man created Christianity, not Yeshua. When you wre grafted in, you were grafted into a Jewish root, and now you are Israeli. Gentile means Pagan, you are no longer a Pagan, unless you choose to call yourself that. You will be living in Israel for 1,000 years or longer. Yeshua is not a Gentile, but Christianity has made Him into one. The Jewish people have been resistant to Jesus becasue all of the hideous things done to them have happened in that name. It was not done in the Name of Yeshua, which was His birth name.
- Brenda Kreher oh, that reminds me - "Name = Nature" - try the expanded definition - it helps immensely to clear up these theological stumblingblocks.
- Brenda Kreher But not all who are "Jewish" are of "Jesus" nature - remember Passover - it was only the Blood of the Lamb that saved people. And so it is today, and will eternally be so - that the Blood of Jesus and it alone, determines who is a child of God and w...See More
- Ron Weiss Here we go again Brenda. You are cherry picking verses. How much simpler can this be. Yeshua was Torah Observant and is The Living Torah. You cannot seperate Yeshua from the Torah, but that is exactly what Christianity has done. You do not want to deal with the fact that Christianity is Pagan. This is the end of the conservation
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