YOU SAID: I wonder if U know why are faith the True faith Yeshua Preached and live / Apostles Why it has been underground for the past 1800 years?
MY RESPONSE: It actually hasn’t been “underground”; it became distorted along the way. Every believe for at least 100 years after Yeshua’s death was Torah observant, living by His teachings. It was the “Catholic Church Fathers” - people like Constantine, Tertullian, Marcion and Ignatious who started changing/twisting doctrine.
"Church founders" such as Ignatius(35-107 CE), Marcion (110-160 AD) and Tertullian(155-230 CE) were instrumental in tweaking the Scriptures and inserting their own opinions - which, of course, were swallowed by "the world" as "true Gospel" which sought to free the Church from "false Jewish doctrines":
- Ignatius was considered to be an "auditor" and "disciple" of John. Ignatius pioneered the Greek-based Christian religion and was instrumental in the assimilation of paganism into early Christianity, packaging Christianity for a Greco-Roman Hellenic culture. Ignatius saw Jewish followers of Y'shua as nothing more than legalists and Judaizers. He despised the observance of Shabbat in favor of his Ishtar sunrise "Lord's day" Sun-Day teachings. It is scarcely possible to exaggerate the importance of the Ignatian letters to modern Christian institutions. He was a key player in the development of the modern Christo-Pagan church, promoting the "infallibility of the church" and the "universal church". If there ever was a hierarchy loving "Christian" with a Hellenistic autocratic mindset, it was Ignatius who gave himself the nickname Theophoros (the God-bearer) and taught that deacons, presbyters and bishops were a separate category of people, high and lifted up, and infused with Jesus-like authority to be lords over people. Christians consider Ignatius as one of the all time biggest movers and shakers of the all-Gentile church. He strongly instructed that "without the bishop's supervision, no baptisms or love feasts are permitted". He also believed Mary to be the eternal virgin mother of God.
- Every Christian who uses the term "Old" and "New" testament must take their hats off to Marcion as he was the one who coined these terms which perfectly reflect the Hellenistic mindset of the pagan world which is ignorant of Torah. Marcion taught that the Old and New Testaments could not be reconciled with each other, and this is what you will hear in Christian churches today.
- One of Tertullian's better known "achievements" was to fall into a trance and then prophesy under the influence of the "Holy Spirit", insisting his utterances were the voice of the "Holy Spirit". (The modern day speaking in tongues "born again" Pentecostal or Charismatic Christians must really appreciate someone like Tertullian!) Also, Tertullian, while fumbling in all manner of paganism and spiritism, picked up an "anointing" of the "Holy Ghost" and coined the word "Trinity" which is one of the most beloved doctrines of the pagan Church to this very day. The "persons of the trinity" doctrine flourishes in the hierarchy-based religion which sees itself as a three-sided pyramid structure. Tertullian's works abound with puns, wit, sarcasm and a continual pounding of his opponents with invectives.
These guys hated “the Jews” and decided they wanted the “God of the Jews” but did NOT want anything “Jewish” mixed in – I’e. the Sevent Day Sabbath and the Feasts. IDIOTS!!!! (The above was borrowed from my website article: http://www.therefinersfire.org/lets_get_biblical.htm ) Anyway, out of Catholicism grew Protestantism, which continued the idea that “Jesus abolished the Law” and insisted “The law is a curse” and other nonsense that has caused Christianity to suffer nearly 40,000 different “denominations” each one thinking THEY have cornered the market on Truth!
YOU SAID Wonder if you know according to the bible why we suffered so in the times after the Apostles
and why its been 1800 years and now the true faith is come back? why was the faith handed over to the Gentiles for them to change it ?
And make it almost unrecognizable to the Jewish people.
MY RESPONSE: The Bible tells us in various places that people would go up against believers. Yeshua told us that His people would suffer:
Matthew 10: 32 "Whoever acknowledges me in the presence of others I will also acknowledge in the presence of my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others I will disown before my Father in heaven. 34 "Don't suppose that I have come to bring peace to the Land. It is not peace I have come to bring, but a sword! 35 For I have come to set 36 a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law, so that a man's enemies will be the members of his own household. 37 Whoever loves his father or mother more than he loves me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than he loves me is not worthy of me. 38 And anyone who does not take up his execution-stake and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds his own life will lose it, but the person who loses his life for my sake will find it. 40 "Whoever receives you is receiving me, and whoever receives me is receiving the One who sent me. 41 Anyone who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive the reward a prophet gets, and anyone who receives a tzaddik because he is a tzaddik will receive the reward a tzaddik gets. 42 Indeed, if someone gives just a cup of cold water to one of these little ones because he is my talmid -- yes! -- I tell you, he will certainly not lose his reward!"
The faith was NOT handed over to the Gentiles; YHWH is using the Gentiles (people like yourself who have found their way to Torah) to make “the Jews” jealous. He’s NOT using “the church” because the church is NOT His! They refuse to even keep the commanded Seventh Day Sabbath, let alone the feasts, and they’re worshipping “another Jesus”....
Christianity is “unrecognizable” to Jews because it insists that Torah was abolished! Why should Jews leave Torah to start worshipping the Torah-less christian “Jesus”?